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Oh, I don’t know.

I think it’s just desires.

When you know something you feel better for it.

And it’s helpful talking to others as well.

I suppose that conferences have been my lot for some time.

When I think about it I’ve given an enormous number of bloody papers to one society and another. [33:20] To return to National Service for a moment – sorry to take you away from the thread there – but I was wondering how you felt about it and being… I think it was a solution to many problems.

I mean we have sink estates today with kids running riot and out of hand.

We’ve been through this before and the scout movement was a movement which took people from their own environments and put them in a different environment with other children and still learning things.

Woodcraftsmanship, get a badge for everything.

And because they were away and with other people they didn’t actually have to adopt the habits of their home town and the scout movement has been very good for that for some time.

Well, © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk Ron Bridle Page 12 C1379/75 Track 1 National Service was, we had public schoolboys and down and outs in the same barracks and if you didn’t clean your bed space the others really sort of set about you. Do you think that National Service was good for you in any way? It was good for me, yeah.

I sort of got to know some good friends, I played a lot of rugby.

Whether I – can I tell you a… You can scrub this story. We can lock it away for thirty years, but once it’s on tape it’s there forever, but… No, well we… The officers’ mess was out of bounds to us when we were playing rugby, we’d use the NAAFI or… but we had a similar toilet and we were playing this guards team and one of the guards said to the other, guards officer said, ‘Do you see that chap from the RAF? He’s gone to the toilet and hasn’t washed his hands.’ And the RAF folk says, ‘No, in the RAF they teach us not to pee on our fingers’, which I thought was Coa downer which took a lot of beating. [35:42] Did you take to army life? Or air force life? Oh yes, yes, yes, you know.

You’re on your own initiatives and I enjoyed painting murals in dining halls and we had, I had one friend who’s still a friend, Glyn Phillips who got a first in physics at Aberystwyth and when we were at training camp he put in for a, the MT driver, but on the course he stalled the vehicle and ran down the hill and backed into a lamppost.

So he got sent to 16 MU Stafford as an ACHGD – AC General Duties – and found himself painting coal white, marking the side of a track up to the… in other words, that was a waste of abilities.

So I saw the Wing Commander White, said, ‘We’ve got the best outside half this station’s ever had, why isn’t he playing for us?’ ‘I don’t know, well he ought to be.’ So he played outside half from then on.

And he held the paint tins and painted lines and everything around the murals.

And the WAAF sergeant rather took to him, but he didn’t take to her and he ended up scrubbing the bloody greasy tins in the kitchen. [laughs] But he is a great outside half, he played for Ebbw Vale when we got home after and he really was quite a good guy.

But everything he could touch could go wrong, nothing ever went right.

Just one of those personalities. [37:50] © The British Library Board http://sounds.bl.uk

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